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hiroshi
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: BS Zelda VHS |
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I stumbled across this VHS transfer someone made of the loading screen and gameplay of BS Zelda. Haven't really seen this anywhere else. After watching this, the purpose of all those things that were hacked out made much more sense. |
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kap Minister of Paranoia
Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 2103 Location: I hate you.
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hiroshi
Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 50
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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The rom is out there, but useless in its virgin state. In order to finish the game a lot of things have to be hacked. It's not the same experience, but good enough. You'll need a walkthrough as the voiceovers for timed events aren't in the rom, they were just streamed live over the satellite channel.
The BS Zelda homepage has a lot more info. |
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KlarthAilerion Staff
Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 673 Location: New Orleans, LA
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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The time of day thing is neat, and that kind of stuff was just beginning to be utilized back then (Tengai Makyou Zero: Far East of Eden Zero is another example from SFC-time, I think). For a more modern example, think of the singing dog (Totokake?) from Animal Crossing on the N64/GameCube, as well as the seasonal and day/night changes from a variety of games.
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess kind of incorporated this with the different activities you could perform during the day and night (such as Poe soul hunting). I'm really surprised that they didn't do anything more specific in Twilight Princess, like the Dampe grave tour from Ocarina of Time.
Now all we have to do is wait for a new Wall Street Kid game, where the different international stock markets open and close at their appropriate international time, regardless of where in the world the player is. |
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kap Minister of Paranoia
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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KlarthAilerion wrote: | Now all we have to do is wait for a new Wall Street Kid game, where the different international stock markets open and close at their appropriate international time, regardless of where in the world the player is. |
Dude. Why the fuck hasn't anybody done this yet? |
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ProgrammingAce
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: |
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i think someone has |
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Tongueman
Joined: 27 Feb 2004 Posts: 631 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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It's interesting to see the game as it was meant to be played: with the music and voices from the TV broadcast, and the voice hints at timed intervals.
Watching this, I kept thinking: how annoying. How distracting. Who would want to play a game like this, gameplay limited to 50 odd minutes a day, a stupid voice meddling in your game, with each installment doled over the course of a month? What an elaborate waste of money for all involved. It's a sad substitute for a CD-ROM attachment. |
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TheRedEye The Internet's Frank Cifaldi
Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 4192 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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So would this technically be the first episodic game? |
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rbudrick not rubrdick
Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 549
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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If only we had the complete voiceovers...There's two ways I think they could be obtained. Since someone recorded this on VHS way back when, it's feasible he recorded the rest of the game. It's also possible if he didn't someone else out there did. It's a longshot, but I never even thought I'd see what was in those two videos, so whatever. Contacting the person that posted them is the best lead for them right now...other than that all else is just waiting until they pop up, if ever, except for the second method, which is a bit more impossible..the satellite/cable company and/or Nintendo may have recordings of the voiceovers.
I noticed the music was completely out of sync. Weird.
-Rob |
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KlarthAilerion Staff
Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 673 Location: New Orleans, LA
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Rob, if you read the info on that page that's linked above, it explains why the music is out of sync. They basically just broadcast it from the CDs over the Satelleview connection... it wasn't built in to the game itself. So, no matter where you were at a given point in time, you'd hear the same music.
They also talk about the voiceovers and whatnot. Just repeated in certain areas at certain times. Definitely an interesting project. |
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sailoranna
Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 16 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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According to the website, the main reason it was timed at a certian time and on certian days was because the whole thing was a contest, and depending on items you got and points per item you one little prizes. |
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taiki
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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TheRedEye wrote: | So would this technically be the first episodic game? |
Wolfenstein 3D predates it by atleast 4 years. |
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nekta
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry I'm confused, there was a NES version and SNES version that I saw on youtube.
Are both of these valid or is he making this shit up? The SNES style video looked kinda hacked and simple to me. All the pots in the corners and the key in the same one almost every time. But I would love anyone to tell me otherwise........... |
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KlarthAilerion Staff
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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The video is of the game that was available in Japan only on the Satelleview, a satellite gaming service. |
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TheRedEye The Internet's Frank Cifaldi
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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taiki wrote: | TheRedEye wrote: | So would this technically be the first episodic game? |
Wolfenstein 3D predates it by atleast 4 years. |
It was episodic? They delivered new chapters on a regular schedule? |
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FlowingMindspin
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 57 Location: Lewistown, PA USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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This is extremely interesting. I've never done any extensive research into the subject or anything, but when reading about the Satellaview it always seemed interesting. I never quite understood how it would work with the live voiceovers and such, but seeing it in action is pretty sweet.
I really hope whoever this person is did manage to tape the entire game, for posterity's sake if nothing else. |
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hiroshi
Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 50
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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BS Tantei Club was another episodic game for the service.
I'd check to see if there were more, but I've lost the link to that custom Japanese SFC + BS-X emulator that'll actually play them properly. |
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Broadcasting Satellite
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ProgrammingAce
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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TheRedEye wrote: | taiki wrote: | TheRedEye wrote: | So would this technically be the first episodic game? |
Wolfenstein 3D predates it by atleast 4 years. |
It was episodic? They delivered new chapters on a regular schedule? |
It was, strangely enough. I think there were at least 7-8 episodes (i'd have to go find my copy... on an 5.25 floppy). The original duke nukem was also eposiodic, iirc. That was kind of Apogie's claim to fame. |
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ArnoldRimmer83 Staff
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Tongueman wrote: | It's interesting to see the game as it was meant to be played: with the music and voices from the TV broadcast, and the voice hints at timed intervals.
Watching this, I kept thinking: how annoying. How distracting. Who would want to play a game like this, gameplay limited to 50 odd minutes a day, a stupid voice meddling in your game, with each installment doled over the course of a month? What an elaborate waste of money for all involved. It's a sad substitute for a CD-ROM attachment. |
I was never overly fond of the whole BS Satellite idea either, for the reasons you mentioned above. Its also a pity that these games were basically gone for good, once whatever contest going on was over.
If Nintendo still has any material left over from the BS Zeldas, it would be nice if they could attempt to cobble together something that would closely resemble the original games. At least restoring that intro would be cool. Maybe for the Virtual Console or a Zelda collection. (The latter not likely.) |
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