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Ryo Suzuki



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:51 pm    Post subject: Hidden Palace & SEGASaturno: Sega Saturn, surprise game Reply with quote

SEGASaturno and Hidden Palace are proud to present a joint community release of an unreleased Sega Saturn game

This is the first truly joint effort between both Hidden Palace and SEGASaturno to bring you an unreleased Sega Saturn game through donations.

You have all details here: http://forums.hidden-palace.org/viewtopic.php?t=2849

Many thanks for your help, as always. Regards.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hidden Palace & SEGASaturno: Sega Saturn, surprise g Reply with quote

Ryo Suzuki wrote:
SEGASaturno and Hidden Palace are proud to present a joint community release of an unreleased Sega Saturn game

"We're proud to support the community, as long as they pay us."
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love you, Skrybe.

I also think it's bullshit to ask people to throw money at something without even knowing what it is, and I hope the reason for that isn't because it's going to end up being shit nobody cares about. Not saying it is; hoping it is not.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooo, let's make it a bidding process!

Check it out...

I'll release the ROM of an untold, unreleased NES proto for just $450! Mine's complete too. Okay, now it's your turn!

Cool concept, and we know you're heart is in the right place as you guys have been very good at getting stuff out to the community. That being said, the blind donation thing is kinda crazy, especially for an unfinished game.

Totally serious about the NES dump thing too Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unreleased games sure make people angry. If you don't like what they're doing, don't give them money!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guarantee its not Sonic.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the only board I've seen with people against what they're doing. I don't see the problem really, as true diehard Saturn fans will pay the money. I personally won't bother since I only pay for stuff I care to play, and if I can't know what it is, or if it IS what I think it is(and if it is, it's shit), then I'm not bothering.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billscat-socks wrote:
This is the only board I've seen with people against what they're doing.


That doesn't mean the board is wrong.

Personally I think the phrasing is a bit weird and unfortunate, but they're Spanish so their command of English isn't perfect. The way I understand it there's a Spanish community out there on their website where people are actually excited about this stuff, with the upside down exclamation points and what not, so they're much more cheerful about stuff than our jaded folk I guess.

Don't get the hostility either, community dumps have been done for a while and this is the first time I've seen anyone against them.

I won't debate the fact that it's an unknown game, not really my place.

Disclaimer: my involvement in this is that I footed $500 for this originally and the community dump is taking place on my board (like the other Sega Saturno drives).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: Hidden Palace & SEGASaturno: Sega Saturn, surprise g Reply with quote

Skrybe wrote:

"We're proud to support the community, as long as they pay us."



I think you are being a little unfair, maybe because of some ignorance. I don't want to discuss or bringing up any controversy, which may be what you are after.

We have brought up unreleased stuff without asking anything in exchange in the past, both us and drx. That means, we have also given things without asking for donations first, something you may have forgotten on purpose or you may don't know at all.

Concerning this specific case, if we are asking donations, it's because we have to cover part of our investment in this prototype with them. And even with that, we are not asking the whole cost of it, so we can perfectly say we lose money on this. But you may not believe that either.

Reading messages as the posted by kap and MrMark0673, I can have a clear and precise image about you guys here. We are doing this as a service to the community, or at least that's what we believe we are doing. If you think this should be done in a different way, then do it yourselves. I, without a doubt, would donate to you if you were going to release an unreleased Sega Saturn game, even if you are not telling which one it is until the moment of its release (and of course, my reaction would be far from being the same as yours).

I beg you pardon if this thread has been of any inconvenience. You may delete it or do as you wish with it, since you seem to be part of the staff here. Either way, it has been very illustrative for me to see what has happened with it.

And don't bother, I won't go into useless debates. Thank you and bye.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, this debate is pretty useless.

And really, after the lack of commentary on the boards I posted that FF3 prototype yesterday, I'm starting to think that the whole arguments over prototypes is less about preservation and experiencing games at a new angle, and more jealousy over having something they don't have. I think most of us on Lost Levels are in the sooner group, but the culture of wanting a free lunch is so ingrained in this community that I think it is ruining everything. Don't get me wrong, I will never charge money for the things that I release, because I think that prototypes are important historical artifacts, and it is a shame to not document them. As Indiana Jones says "It belongs in a museum!". That is my motto, and once I have more money to get into the high end collecting market, it will continue that way.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, hey, thanks for judging my entire forum based on a couple outspoken people. Cheers.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evan wrote:
I'm starting to think that the whole arguments over prototypes is less about preservation and experiencing games at a new angle, and more jealousy over having something they don't have.


This. I suppose. There's some sort of strange sub-culture phenomenon going on with prototypes/unreleased content. It's like the new vintage, borderline vinegar, wine or something. Since it's unreleased, it's good... even if it's bad.


Anyway, I don't really mind the approach these guys have taken to their release. Some might've seen some of my posts I made at one point around various places, trying to more or less come up with an interesting, unique and community engaging method of doing community dumps + "protecting the investment" of collectors. Look at it as a bit of a Secret Santa thing. You give a slump of investment money to one person and that person returns it with ???.


@TheRedEye - Bogger. I just remembered I'd completely forgotten about something that's been dusting on my shelf for quite some time now... I'll see if I can get that stuff wrapped up sometime soon-ishly and pass things your way (once I've eliminated my latest gaming addiction). Sorry about that. (Just remembered it with all this talk of big money.)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just like to add that I don't mind having collections for a community dump, but I would like to know what it is before donating! I know drx has a lot of good stuff, so I assume that if he is releasing something, it is likely a significant game.

Also, I think we should all thank Carnivol. He has put up some big bucks for prototypes and didn't ask anything for them.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And really, after the lack of commentary on the boards I posted that FF3 prototype yesterday, I'm starting to think that the whole arguments over prototypes is less about preservation and experiencing games at a new angle, and more jealousy over having something they don't have.


I've noticed that about myself lately and it's kinda sad really. I barely have time for my stuff let alone all the goodies people put out there, which I usually try out with a few months lag, usually too late to say thanks without being a thread necromancer.

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I know drx has a lot of good stuff, so I assume that if he is releasing something, it is likely a significant game.


One thing I'd like to clarify is that it's not from the collection list I posted, it's a thing I footed the bill for jointly with Segasaturno.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carnivol wrote:
@TheRedEye - Bogger. I just remembered I'd completely forgotten about something that's been dusting on my shelf for quite some time now... I'll see if I can get that stuff wrapped up sometime soon-ishly and pass things your way (once I've eliminated my latest gaming addiction). Sorry about that. (Just remembered it with all this talk of big money.)


I have no idea what you're talking about, I hope it is not a bomb. Make sure you have my Oakland address before you send whatever it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheRedEye wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about, I hope it is not a bomb. Make sure you have my Oakland address before you send whatever it is.


Digital delivery. Digging in the old PM box to jog your memory a bit might help :)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh wow, is that finally done? Yesssss.

Sorry, I didn't mean to steer this thread off topic, let's get back to bitching at each other.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evan wrote:
I'm starting to think that the whole arguments over prototypes is less about preservation and experiencing games at a new angle, and more jealousy over having something they don't have.


I have to completely disagree. In fact, arguments like that are usually the most typical retorts people make back at someone, next to "I'd like to see YOU do better!" or "If you don't like it, no one's forcing you to stay and watch/play it/comment/whatever"

This looks like it's getting out of hand. I don't think anyone meant any bad intent by just basically saying they wouldn't donate without knowing what the game is exactly. I still respect SegaSaturno, but I'm still just someone who plays games for the sake of passing time and having fun, so I'm holding out unless I know exactly what it is I'm paying for. That's the reason I didn't donate for Lobo; the game looked like crap and I never play fighters to begin with.

All the same, I doubt they'll have trouble reaching their goal. The members at SegaSaturno always pull through and end up being the ones with the most donations in every funding so far Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since several people have brought it up, I want to clarify that I don't disagree with community purchases. The point I was trying to make was, to me, this has the appearance of someone trying to make a quick buck off a proto and justify it by saying it's "for the community."

Saying "Collector so-and-so has a proto that he's asking $550 for, get in touch if you want to chip in," is different than "I'm not releasing this proto until I get $550."
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheRedEye wrote:
Oh wow, is that finally done? Yesssss.

Almost. It's been collecting dust for some time, though. But, yeah, gonna see if I can wrap that up very soon. I'll drop you a PM once I've sorted out a few personal issues and finished up some other dust collectors too.



Skrybe wrote:
Saying "Collector so-and-so has a proto that he's asking $550 for, get in touch if you want to chip in," is different than "I'm not releasing this proto until I get $550."


"Thanks for the money, but your prototype is in another castle"
(Random note: Would donate if I had some extra spending money these days. Unfortunately, I'm on a tight budget.)
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