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iamstillhiro1112
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: A wiki for Betas should be created... |
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That's my opinion. A wiki where anyone can post info or screenshots of beta's and unreleased games. Theres too much disorganization, with such info being scattered across multiple websites. |
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ProgrammingAce
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 580
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kap Minister of Paranoia


Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 2107 Location: purgatory
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Lo, the many projects LostLevels has been too lazy and indecisive to get off the ground (or at least past half-finished). |
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Wonderbutt
Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 323 Location: Doritos Inc.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Well Proggy, you may have a point, darls.
Under NEC PC Engine, some fella listed Space Fantasy Zone as unreleased, and has a link to a video of the game on Youtube.
Well, this is a screenshot I took in September of 2006, using Magice Engine.
It might have been of a beta dump or whatever.
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iamstillhiro1112
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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wiki gets mistakes too, but that if it's used by people in the know also then those mistakes will likely be caught.
It's good to see that there is a wiki tho. |
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TheRedEye The Internet's Frank Cifaldi


Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 4192 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: |
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I always figured the problem with assembler's wiki (and many others like it) is that it seemed like he just installed it, made a post saying it was open, and left it at that. I don't care how much your audience loves you, they're not going to put any real effort into something like a wiki unless you get the ball rolling and set a good example. That's why our internal Lost Levels wiki never went public, we all realized that we didn't have time to make it worth a damn. |
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iamstillhiro1112
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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I see one problem with it. I don't see a log in. I like to keep track of my changes. And it allows others to catch people who post misinformation and let them know about it.
Plus it looks so bland, plain text and few pics. They shoulda just used wikis look.
http://www.datacrystal.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros.
Thats another wiki. Even tho it don't have a lot of information at least it looks decent. They should go for something like this. |
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ICEknight

Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Posts: 569
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Wonderbutt wrote: | some fella listed Space Fantasy Zone as unreleased, and has a link to a video of the game on Youtube.
Well, this is a screenshot I took in September of 2006, using Magice Engine.
It might have been of a beta dump or whatever. |
It was indeed a beta dump.
iamstillhiro1112 wrote: | http://www.datacrystal.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros.
Thats another wiki. Even tho it don't have a lot of information at least it looks decent. They should go for something like this. |
That one sure has a lot of useful info, including all the known bad dumps and overdumps! :o |
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handofg0d

Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 455 Location: PA
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if theres all this bad information/misinformation flying around out there, and someone opens up a wiki, where do you think the contributors are going to be getting their information? It would most likely end up being a consolidation of all the bad information, in one easy to use central location! |
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Sardius Staff


Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 508 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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iamstillhiro1112 wrote: | http://www.datacrystal.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros. |
wow
Wow!
WOW
This is an amazing resource. I could spend hours here. |
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kap Minister of Paranoia


Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 2107 Location: purgatory
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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TheRedEye wrote: | That's why our internal Lost Levels wiki never went public, we all realized that we didn't have time to make it worth a damn. |
You're leaving out "and the software sucked hard, hard balls". |
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TheRedEye The Internet's Frank Cifaldi


Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 4192 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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kap wrote: | TheRedEye wrote: | That's why our internal Lost Levels wiki never went public, we all realized that we didn't have time to make it worth a damn. |
You're leaving out "and the software sucked hard, hard balls". |
That is a private affair between me and the software thank you very much |
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Dais
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 142
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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handofg0d wrote: | Well, if theres all this bad information/misinformation flying around out there, and someone opens up a wiki, where do you think the contributors are going to be getting their information? It would most likely end up being a consolidation of all the bad information, in one easy to use central location! |
Yes, let's forsake all possible positives to focus on the negatives that would be birthed from failures on our own part.
I was working on an canceled games wiki for a while (as I indicated in this topic), but it never got farther than a basic list of all the cancelled games I'd heard of, mainly due the facts that
1) the software sucked, insofar as I couldn't get the wiki to allow for the creation of user accounts (I wanted them to be required before editing, because I am afeared of the internet), and
2) I was too lazy/have too short an attention span to find a superior wiki host and copy/paste what I had into that, and
3) I just suck in general lately.
Aside from the sucking part I think I may be mirroring what happened with the Lost Levels wikithing?
I still maintain/agree that this (an unreleased games wiki) is a good idea, and if I wasn't a [insert colorful phrase to describe a total slacker], I would definitely try and get some motivation going in the community.
(actually, I already have a wiki I'm trying to get motivated enough to ask people to make for me, and another wiki some else made that's well-taken care of but virtually dead and I never finish the pages I make on it)
Basically, what I'm trying to say is, humans are such frail creatures! |
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Nosuch

Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Posts: 107
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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To be fair to DataCrystal, it actually does have a bit of genuinely interesting information* when everyone's not busy writing entries about crappy hacks.
*Genuine interest being relative, of course. |
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handofg0d

Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 455 Location: PA
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dais wrote: | Yes, let's forsake all possible positives to focus on the negatives that would be birthed from failures on our own part. |
Hey, I'm all for it, and I'd gladly contribute the data and pictures I have to any database/wiki that wants it, and is serious about it. But my concern is a valid one. The chore would be fixing all the misinformation that people are citing from bad sources. The problem is finding the admins who have the time to watch over it. |
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iamstillhiro1112
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Datacrystal does suffer from lazy staff. I am in the process of adding tons of info and things to the site tho, cause I see good potential in it. I've thus far added images/templates to most of the games, I will later add all the rom and ram maps that I can find, so it may yet become the hub for game data.
But on topic, Having a select few trying to make a all in one resourse for all things beta hasn't work out so far. Perhaps a community effort would get this done, if it's started by the right people. I think a lost levels wiki would of been good, especially if it had the features Dais mentioned. Login and such. |
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TheRedEye The Internet's Frank Cifaldi


Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 4192 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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We haven't thrown out the idea entirely yet. Our private one is still functional, and it's built with management in mind (in fact, it's not a wiki at all, more like a database that allows user input, which we can manage and approve/deny on our end). |
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Dot50Cal

Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 111
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Why not make it open for editing by pre-approved people only? |
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iamstillhiro1112
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Real time editing is part of the fun of wiki tho. Why not just have a review team comb over the site from time to time instead? |
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TheRedEye The Internet's Frank Cifaldi


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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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That's a valid issue that we're exploring, I think the solution we came up with was to constantly monitor any changes made via a simple list and, indeed, let people update on the fly.
As far as a "closed beta" or whatever, what it really comes down to is that I won't feel comfortable having a wiki/database until I know I have the dedication to be its main contributor. Right now, I recognize that I don't. |
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